Originally posted by Speed
The same thing in both? Doubtful. [...] She probably isn't allergic to either, she just doesn't want to do either and gives that as a reason.
I don't believe that it's the same thing, but who I am to say? I really don't have the background to know for sure...that's why I put the "shrug" in there. :) As for not wanting to do it, she still smokes occasionally, but she doesn't end up like Pantharen....she just gets the headaches and flu like stuff.
Constant, horrible panic attacks? On marijuana? Could you please elaborate? I occasionally have panic attacks when I'm sleeping, but they don't relate to weed (as I had them before I smoked, and the number of occurances hasn't changed since). Do you have the attack under the influence? What's it like?
History lesson: I started smoking when I was...uhm...13 I think. I smoked off and on until I was about 18 and went to college. Then it was a goddamn free-for-all until I was 21. The first time I had a panic attack was in Switzerland (long story) and was smoking with two kids I knew. It felt like a *really* bad trip. I couldn't stop shaking, my heart was racing REALLY REALLY fast, and I could think of shit in my head but not get it out of my mouth without studdering or slurring the words to shit. Oh, and I could swear that I was being taken to an asylum, and that's why I was in Switzerland -- and I'm not the kind of person that bugs out like that. I can usually just shake off any bad stuff. Imagine someone ODing on Coke, but not passing out, and having the worst trip ever. That was me.
Since then, I've only smoked twice without freaking out completely (probably have tried 8-10 times) -- and both of those times were small amounts (like a bowl split between two people) and in controlled environments (with one very trusted person that just let me be). Even when I'm just around people who are smoking and I start to get contact my heart races insanely, I start to cold sweat, my mouth/throat goes all dry, and I get all shifty and untrusting. It's pretty fucking weird.
But I just stay away from it -- that simple. :) And since pot isn't even close to the only drug I've done, I've found plenty of substitutes.
But it's always funny to tell someone who you're tripping fucking balls with that you can't smoke up because you'll freak out...they tend to ask again to make sure they heard me right :)
Pantharen
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Originally posted by apathy
I don't believe that it's the same thing, but who I am to say? I really don't have the background to know for sure...that's why I put the "shrug" in there. :) As for not wanting to do it, she still smokes occasionally, but she doesn't end up like Pantharen....she just gets the headaches and flu like stuff.
History lesson: I started smoking when I was...uhm...13 I think. I smoked off and on until I was about 18 and went to college. Then it was a goddamn free-for-all until I was 21. The first time I had a panic attack was in Switzerland (long story) and was smoking with two kids I knew. It felt like a *really* bad trip. I couldn't stop shaking, my heart was racing REALLY REALLY fast, and I could think of shit in my head but not get it out of my mouth without studdering or slurring the words to shit. Oh, and I could swear that I was being taken to an asylum, and that's why I was in Switzerland -- and I'm not the kind of person that bugs out like that. I can usually just shake off any bad stuff. Imagine someone ODing on Coke, but not passing out, and having the worst trip ever. That was me.
Since then, I've only smoked twice without freaking out completely (probably have tried 8-10 times) -- and both of those times were small amounts (like a bowl split between two people) and in controlled environments (with one very trusted person that just let me be). Even when I'm just around people who are smoking and I start to get contact my heart races insanely, I start to cold sweat, my mouth/throat goes all dry, and I get all shifty and untrusting. It's pretty fucking weird.
But I just stay away from it -- that simple. :) And since pot isn't even close to the only drug I've done, I've found plenty of substitutes.
But it's always funny to tell someone who you're tripping fucking balls with that you can't smoke up because you'll freak out...they tend to ask again to make sure they heard me right :)
Not everyone is going to have the exact same reaction to something, My brother use to be chronic, and he was also into a lot harder shit than me. But Now he cannot smoke or be around someone that is smoking pot as it gives him really nasty headaches and will make him puke. But my case is to the extreme but that is probably because I am allergic to grass, and pollen and trees and other shit like that anyway. I had a very simular experience to smoking pot, when I walked into a barn at the PNE (Pacific National Exhibition) a big fair that happens for 17 days here in Vancouver. The bonus was that the paramedic was a gorgeous blonde, damn I wished she would have given me mouth to mouth :D :P.
I don't believe that it's the same thing, but who I am to say? I really don't have the background to know for sure...that's why I put the "shrug" in there. :) As for not wanting to do it, she still smokes occasionally, but she doesn't end up like Pantharen....she just gets the headaches and flu like stuff.
History lesson: I started smoking when I was...uhm...13 I think. I smoked off and on until I was about 18 and went to college. Then it was a goddamn free-for-all until I was 21. The first time I had a panic attack was in Switzerland (long story) and was smoking with two kids I knew. It felt like a *really* bad trip. I couldn't stop shaking, my heart was racing REALLY REALLY fast, and I could think of shit in my head but not get it out of my mouth without studdering or slurring the words to shit. Oh, and I could swear that I was being taken to an asylum, and that's why I was in Switzerland -- and I'm not the kind of person that bugs out like that. I can usually just shake off any bad stuff. Imagine someone ODing on Coke, but not passing out, and having the worst trip ever. That was me.
Since then, I've only smoked twice without freaking out completely (probably have tried 8-10 times) -- and both of those times were small amounts (like a bowl split between two people) and in controlled environments (with one very trusted person that just let me be). Even when I'm just around people who are smoking and I start to get contact my heart races insanely, I start to cold sweat, my mouth/throat goes all dry, and I get all shifty and untrusting. It's pretty fucking weird.
But I just stay away from it -- that simple. :) And since pot isn't even close to the only drug I've done, I've found plenty of substitutes.
But it's always funny to tell someone who you're tripping fucking balls with that you can't smoke up because you'll freak out...they tend to ask again to make sure they heard me right :)
Not everyone is going to have the exact same reaction to something, My brother use to be chronic, and he was also into a lot harder shit than me. But Now he cannot smoke or be around someone that is smoking pot as it gives him really nasty headaches and will make him puke. But my case is to the extreme but that is probably because I am allergic to grass, and pollen and trees and other shit like that anyway. I had a very simular experience to smoking pot, when I walked into a barn at the PNE (Pacific National Exhibition) a big fair that happens for 17 days here in Vancouver. The bonus was that the paramedic was a gorgeous blonde, damn I wished she would have given me mouth to mouth :D :P.
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i would of played dead so she had to like the kid in sandlot heh
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Apathy, sounds like someone laced your shit. I had a similar experience when I smoked a jay laced with PCP. I freaked the fuck out, ran around downtown Los Angeles thinking I had died and was a ghost, I mean I really believed that shit! I ended up nekkid, tore up from jumping fences and shit, and in jail for assaulting a police officer. I don't remember much, just that I was really scared, didn't know what to do, and after that I had a real hard time enjoying my high when I smoked, because I started to get a little panicky remembering what had happened. For me it was all in my head, cuz I'm a stoner and a half now.
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Wow, that is amazing. I am so glad that I have never had those adverse effects. The worse thing that happened to me was I thought I was going to die, that's pretty much it. I don't know what my weed was laced with, but I went to bed about 10pm and didn't close my eyes until 4pm when the high wore off. I laid in my dark room for six hours thinking that if I closed my eyes, I would not open them again. I couldn't move, didn't want to, I was dead tired. It was a scary feeling.
I can't imagine being allergic, having panic attacks, etc... I would say that Apathy's panic attacks were from laced weed, but he says he has tried 8-10 times after that. I don't think that there's an 80% chance of getting laced weed that will do the same thing. I do think that it is a possibility that the first time it happened, it was laced, and now it's a mind thing. I did not smoke weed for about four months after my death thing, I was afraid of it. I smoked the day after one time, and did not enjoy my high because I was so paranoid something was going to happen. Perhaps this is happening to Apathy. Either way, as long as you are enjoying life without weed, then good for you. I can enjoy it just fine without weed, I just enjoy it more with weed. Ever seen the back of a twenty dollar bill? ..... Ever seen the back of a twenty dollar bill, ...... on weed!?
Seph, your weed coulda been laced with virtually anything. The first thing you need to think of is where it came from. If it was commercial, there's no way you will ever tell, it could have been one of a billion substances. If it was home grown, people around here have been known to spray raid on their leaves and around their garden as they are planting and flowering. This is a horrible practice, but it sells just the same and it's virtually impossible to tell as the scent has dried up and dissipated by then. I hate buying from new people, that's why I keep my contacts close.
Your situations are all very interesting. I used to think that weed would kill me, that's why I didn't start til I was 16. I had such horrible asthma as a kid that I was in the hospital an average of 150+ days a year because of asthma attacks. Been clinically dead four times (no heart beat, but brain activity). I had a crazy childhood with that stuff. My mom always told me that if I ever inhaled smoke, such as marijuana, I'd probably collapse. I was around it a lot when I started hanging out with a new crowd when I was 16, and after getting a couple contact highs I decided to just try it. Nothing happened, and as I read more and more literature regarding weed, I find more and more evidence as to why smoking marijuana actually helps asthma sufferers. It's a very intriguing concept, introducing smoke into your lungs to help your asthma, but I'm still yet to be 100% convinced that it is the truth. There are so many biased books out there that you can never be sure that you are getting proper information. That's why I like having word of mouth statements from experiences.
Anyone else have similar experiences, or anything I might find interesting?
I can't imagine being allergic, having panic attacks, etc... I would say that Apathy's panic attacks were from laced weed, but he says he has tried 8-10 times after that. I don't think that there's an 80% chance of getting laced weed that will do the same thing. I do think that it is a possibility that the first time it happened, it was laced, and now it's a mind thing. I did not smoke weed for about four months after my death thing, I was afraid of it. I smoked the day after one time, and did not enjoy my high because I was so paranoid something was going to happen. Perhaps this is happening to Apathy. Either way, as long as you are enjoying life without weed, then good for you. I can enjoy it just fine without weed, I just enjoy it more with weed. Ever seen the back of a twenty dollar bill? ..... Ever seen the back of a twenty dollar bill, ...... on weed!?
Seph, your weed coulda been laced with virtually anything. The first thing you need to think of is where it came from. If it was commercial, there's no way you will ever tell, it could have been one of a billion substances. If it was home grown, people around here have been known to spray raid on their leaves and around their garden as they are planting and flowering. This is a horrible practice, but it sells just the same and it's virtually impossible to tell as the scent has dried up and dissipated by then. I hate buying from new people, that's why I keep my contacts close.
Your situations are all very interesting. I used to think that weed would kill me, that's why I didn't start til I was 16. I had such horrible asthma as a kid that I was in the hospital an average of 150+ days a year because of asthma attacks. Been clinically dead four times (no heart beat, but brain activity). I had a crazy childhood with that stuff. My mom always told me that if I ever inhaled smoke, such as marijuana, I'd probably collapse. I was around it a lot when I started hanging out with a new crowd when I was 16, and after getting a couple contact highs I decided to just try it. Nothing happened, and as I read more and more literature regarding weed, I find more and more evidence as to why smoking marijuana actually helps asthma sufferers. It's a very intriguing concept, introducing smoke into your lungs to help your asthma, but I'm still yet to be 100% convinced that it is the truth. There are so many biased books out there that you can never be sure that you are getting proper information. That's why I like having word of mouth statements from experiences.
Anyone else have similar experiences, or anything I might find interesting?
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Lyki
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Well, I am not a conisseur (sp?) of weed, but I have had my fair share of tokes. I never had any of these kind of experiences, the most that happens to me is a I build up a paranoia for the people around at times, and go to bed assuming the worst. I have found that smoking weed helps me sleep better most of the time though, so I usually only do it late at night. During the day I become very groggy and less active, but then again, who isn't? Alcohol is my drug of choice, and I recently tried coke. But that's getting off the subject. One interesting thing I've found with weed is that after these paranoia trips, I seem to get a little more paranoid completely. I never used to be paranoid at all, but ever since I introduced weed, I have begun questioning a lot more than I should. Also, when I did shrooms, that increased the paranoia aspect 5x as much as weed. I have since tried shrooms, and have not gotten the same aspect as the first time. I assume maybe when I'm under the drug, I begin to think something, and since my brain isn't firing right, it is forever etched in my brain? Maybe I'm psychoanalyzing too much, or maybe not enough. I know very little about drugs, and seeing as Speed has been well educated on the subject, you could help explain a few things? Hopefully my experiences help further your knowledge, shrug.
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i was smokin a joint with one of my sisters ex'es once. we had like 1/2 of it gone, and hes like well we better put this out and save the rest for later. im like wtf dude..put it out?!?!? are you nuts? hes lke trust me. so we did and him and my sister and her 3 kids left. i sat there for a few minutes and then it hit me how fucking high i was. i started getting really blurry vision and was having a hard time holding my head up. so i went and laid down on the couch for like 5 hours. not sleeping. not moving. not doing anything really. my other sister that was there told me my eyes kept rolling in the back of my head. well a few hours later the phone starts ringing. my sister was outside and i couldnt get off the couch to answer it. she finally came in and got it. it was my other sister (the one that left with her kids and b/f) calling to say they were in a car accident. they were hit by another guy who ran a stop sign. totalled his car, put 1 of my nieces in the hospital with a broken neck/collarbone and about 250 stitches. and 1 other niece had to get like 30 stitches. looking back, i just have to wonder that if he was as high as i was, if his reaction time would have been a little quicker. that was the last time i smoked weed. i asked him later wtf was in that and he got this big grin on his face and told me it was angel dust.
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bad shit... like Speed said, that's why I buy from people I trust and know personally. I never buy off the street, and I always smoke a bowl with my connect before he leaves. It's more courtesy and what have you than a test, but I figure if there were something bad in it he wouldn't smoke, ya know? I've been passed some nasty shit in my day, from pcp (angel dust) to speed to fuckin embalming fluid. Regardless of laced crap, it's all a matter of personal preference, some folks just don't like being high.
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I never touched the stuff till I was 19. I had joined the Marines and was in MOs training back in Ft Leonardwood, MO for 3 months. One of my roommates had his girlfriend fly down from Idaho with some shrooms and a sac. We went to see Rage against the Machine and Atari Teenage Riot (Wutang pulled outta that show tho). We got blitzed on shrooms that weekend since we thought we were going to be tested after the weekend (we usually were after 4 day weekends). The shrooms tasted like shit, and while watching Austin Powers, I coulda swore I was seeing bugs crawling up the sides of the bed towards me. I also distinctly remember seeing alot more in that movie that what I saw a year later when I was sober...(Blade was awesome on shrooms too).
Later on, we toked up in the dorm rooms, and a month after that I tried acid for the first time too. Since then, I've been an off and on smoker. I tend to go with an oz at a time. I've attempted to grow some of my own, but failed every time.
My main problem with it is that some strains have boosted my paranoia. I freaked out one night last year while I was sitting on the couch, because there were people standing about 3 feet behind me, and I can't stand that at all. I get to think people are talking about me constantly, so I've abandoned a few parties because of it.
My mother claims she gets hives whenever she smokes pot. To this day, I have still not seen any proof of it, so I'm reluctant to believe her. I've been tempted to test her, but she's the type of person that would turn me in for a dime (she almost turned in my cousin a few months ago). Surprisingly, my dad is alot cooler with it, and hes the military man, with the rigid catholic upbringing (everyone thought he was going to be a priest when he grew up..instead, hes an explosives disposal guy in the air force ROFLMAO).
And I've completely lost my train of thought..damnit.
Later on, we toked up in the dorm rooms, and a month after that I tried acid for the first time too. Since then, I've been an off and on smoker. I tend to go with an oz at a time. I've attempted to grow some of my own, but failed every time.
My main problem with it is that some strains have boosted my paranoia. I freaked out one night last year while I was sitting on the couch, because there were people standing about 3 feet behind me, and I can't stand that at all. I get to think people are talking about me constantly, so I've abandoned a few parties because of it.
My mother claims she gets hives whenever she smokes pot. To this day, I have still not seen any proof of it, so I'm reluctant to believe her. I've been tempted to test her, but she's the type of person that would turn me in for a dime (she almost turned in my cousin a few months ago). Surprisingly, my dad is alot cooler with it, and hes the military man, with the rigid catholic upbringing (everyone thought he was going to be a priest when he grew up..instead, hes an explosives disposal guy in the air force ROFLMAO).
And I've completely lost my train of thought..damnit.
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Guys what you all need is good homegrown BC BUD, 75% of the people that grow here know what they're doing and 90% of it is chemical & pesticide free (pot doesn't need pesticides it has a natural it's called THC residue (the sticky shit on the leaves and stock :D) I know a fair amount about weed being from BC, yeah I've grown it, When I lived in Victoria I owned 2 boats, one was what I lived on, a 28' 1951 Monk Classic, and this
Fiber/ply floating box that I grew starter plants on, now that was the best fucking place to grow, out my one of my porthole windows I had a white dryer tube that dropped to an 1" above the water and a computer fan inside the porthole drawing any smell out, as soon as it hit the salt water poof no smell. Well anyway this boat could hold 300 starter plant at one shot, and I would sell them depending on the grade of the weed, and the hieght of the plant, anywhere from $10 to $35.
Unless it was ThunderFuck, then regardless of the plant it was $65.
The odd time I take a toke it get so very fucked up. Demonic as stoned as you got of 1/2 a joint I can get that way or worse from just ONE toke. Yeah I can't fucking move, I might as well be dead for upto 10 hours. Yeah I said TEN HOURS. :D
Fiber/ply floating box that I grew starter plants on, now that was the best fucking place to grow, out my one of my porthole windows I had a white dryer tube that dropped to an 1" above the water and a computer fan inside the porthole drawing any smell out, as soon as it hit the salt water poof no smell. Well anyway this boat could hold 300 starter plant at one shot, and I would sell them depending on the grade of the weed, and the hieght of the plant, anywhere from $10 to $35.
Unless it was ThunderFuck, then regardless of the plant it was $65.
The odd time I take a toke it get so very fucked up. Demonic as stoned as you got of 1/2 a joint I can get that way or worse from just ONE toke. Yeah I can't fucking move, I might as well be dead for upto 10 hours. Yeah I said TEN HOURS. :D