"I bring in the dupe and search around where im hung a bit." -- is your problem. how could you possible think it's legal to use a dupe character that the rules state for communications only to search around for items and/or users. even if what you say is true, you should not have been running around in the realm with a character i explicitly told you was only for communicating. be pissed at me if you want, but you made the mistake of using the dupe.
This is what i did wrong by your own admission. But my dupe had NOTHING to do with me killing Athen.
sorry that i didn't ask the realm if kalus had anyone elses items before i gave them to the person he illegal killed.
How did i illegaly kill Athen? The kill was totally legit and was done by Kalus with NO help at all from the dupe. It had exited the realm and was long gone when I went after Athen. The punishment I should have recieved according to your rules was just a suspension.
And also your rules state that my items should have been "burned" not given to Athen.
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This is what i did wrong by your own admission. But my dupe had NOTHING to do with me killing Athen.
i didn't say that was all you did wrong. my point is if you would have just used your dupe for talking to gang members or w/e and not walked around searching then i wouldn't have thought you were searching for athen. my point is you did break the rules. and when you're trying to figure out who to believe and who not to believe, obviously the one who has done nothing wrong gets more credibility. moral of the story, don't break the rules and i wont have to believe someone else over you. btw, it wasn't all based on athens accusations. i didn't have any reason to believe he altered the cap he sent me, which shows you searching in his room and immediately rounding him afterwards. my call logs backed up that accusation that you had both characters logged on at the same time. my third reason for taking action against you was because i had just warned you only a few hours ago for doing the exact same thing. another user telepathed me because he attacked you and you hung up and signed on as someone else and started running around too. soo i told you then that you couldn't do that and you still did.
And also your rules state that my items should have been "burned" not given to Athen.
where the hell are you reading this? from me agreeing with tca's comment? grow up dude, i was just agreeing with the point he was making.
i didn't say that was all you did wrong. my point is if you would have just used your dupe for talking to gang members or w/e and not walked around searching then i wouldn't have thought you were searching for athen. my point is you did break the rules. and when you're trying to figure out who to believe and who not to believe, obviously the one who has done nothing wrong gets more credibility. moral of the story, don't break the rules and i wont have to believe someone else over you. btw, it wasn't all based on athens accusations. i didn't have any reason to believe he altered the cap he sent me, which shows you searching in his room and immediately rounding him afterwards. my call logs backed up that accusation that you had both characters logged on at the same time. my third reason for taking action against you was because i had just warned you only a few hours ago for doing the exact same thing. another user telepathed me because he attacked you and you hung up and signed on as someone else and started running around too. soo i told you then that you couldn't do that and you still did.
And also your rules state that my items should have been "burned" not given to Athen.
where the hell are you reading this? from me agreeing with tca's comment? grow up dude, i was just agreeing with the point he was making.
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Ok i admit i broke the rules but the punishment should not have been item stripage. You didn't answer my question in your last post.
How did i illegaly kill Athen? I might have broken the rules but it had nothing to do with Athen been killed. If Athen's cap shows me searchign with the dupe then immediatly afterwards rounding him with Kalus then the cap has been altered because that isnt what happened. Can u send me the cap please.
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my third reason for taking action against you was because i had just warned you only a few hours ago for doing the exact same thing. another user telepathed me because he attacked you and you hung up and signed on as someone else and started running around too. soo i told you then that you couldn't do that and you still did.
I never got this warning. What did u do telepath it to me when i was afk?
How did i illegaly kill Athen? I might have broken the rules but it had nothing to do with Athen been killed. If Athen's cap shows me searchign with the dupe then immediatly afterwards rounding him with Kalus then the cap has been altered because that isnt what happened. Can u send me the cap please.
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my third reason for taking action against you was because i had just warned you only a few hours ago for doing the exact same thing. another user telepathed me because he attacked you and you hung up and signed on as someone else and started running around too. soo i told you then that you couldn't do that and you still did.
I never got this warning. What did u do telepath it to me when i was afk?
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the crazy animal
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Re: warning: dont play here
Ok this ones for syntax sorry its a long one again...
As per walking a dupe to the bank being worthy of suspension. I know it sounds a little harsh but it is a good punishment. It is a good punishment because the person who leaves Newhaven is more likely to be dupe that will get in trouble later. Why deal with a larger problem later when you can nip it in the ass when you see it in the first place.
As per what you assumed. It really did seem like you posted those screen caps as being some sort of statement saying are you blind, didn’t you see/read them. The personal insult was meant in good jest if you look at the :P smiley face. Besides If I wanted to insult you for real I would have been much meaner.
Yes, you and I both know searching is not communicating; however, you and I are not the players making the problems, breaking the rules, or otherwise cheating. You need to make the rules so they are so cut and dry that there is no room for someone to interpret it in anyway other than what you stated it.
Well as far as the bright red rules go you can scroll right by it, with out a second glance all I’m saying is post them some where else in addition to the log-in. so if a person is in the realm they don’t have to log in and out to read them if they want to.
As far as my simple points go. 1 and 2 are not the same even though they deal with the same area of ignorance.
You said it yourself that you have a reminder posted for exiting the realm why not just post the rules again and skip the reminder. Look you can lead a horse to water but you can only make it drink if you shove a fricken hose down its throat and force the water in then you can. Unfortunately sysops need to put out their time to make everything run smoothly. People are not angels; if they were we wouldn’t need governments, rules or any other type of establishments.
I know this is not the NFL but a suspended person should still have access to the rules in order to fully understand what rule they broke. Second you are a sysop; which, means you baby-sit the board and the users on the board. So yes you are a baby-sitter or you wouldn’t have punished Kalus or given those items to Athen. Its good of you to say you will not take the same action in the future but the goal of having the rules is to prevent it from happening.
A rule or policy that does not prevent something bad from happening or cause things to run smoothly is ultimately flawed and should be fixed.
I’m not saying you need to write a book of every rule and every punishment. What I am saying is that you are the sysop you know what rules you have to re-enforce over and over again. Take a stand and stop taking shit about them. Make a short list of the incidents that happen and remember the excuses they try to use to get away with it. Then most come up with some rules that fully and clearly rebuke those excuses and create punishments that are harsh enough to deter those rules from being broken in the future. Post those rules with the punishments and punish people with a strict but fair hand and you’ll look like a better sysop as well have less people breaking your rules.
As for posting the rules in the morbid forum: It might seem like your treating 2 year olds but its really treating them as adults that deserve to be well informed and part of a BBS community rather than someone who just logs on to a server to play mud. Then if they have a question or suggestion about the rules they have a means to communicate about them and it turns out better in the end.
I really do realize how often you use deal with stuff like this and that is why we are having this discussion at the moment. I understand what you put up with and a fair idea of how often because I use to be a co-sysop and have been a mud-op a few times. What I am trying to do is allow you to not have to deal with it, as often and then when you need to deal with it to do so it will be swift and just.
Your right dealing with it is tiring but it won’t stop until you do something about it, firstly stop giving people warnings just suspend them. If you had just suspended kalus the few hours earlier instead of warning him, the rest of the incident wouldn’t have happened that day.
Are you beginning to see my point?
Second you have to make it very clear that you will punish someone harshly on the first offence, and if they are allowed a second chance that they will be punished even harsher or possible banned if they do it a second time.
Now onto the whining bullshit, if you want that to stop make it a rule. Something like this normally works.
Do not contact any sysop, or other op. about another player’s action in the realm unless that player has broken a rule. If you do contact a sysop or other op. and do not have proof of the rule breaking you will be suspended for 1 day for each time you have bothered me in the past.
The more you reward the whiners the more they will whine it’s a fact of life. If you deal with it like I suggested than you have the right not to deal with it. I know this seems unfair but a person that whines and complains is in fact wasting your time and by doing so adversely effecting you and the rest of the BBS as your time may be better spent on improving the BBS and your own personal interests.
I totally understand that you don’t want to deal with problems like the Kalus situation, but if you deal with it in a consistent and fair manner; there ends up being less repercussions and it becomes easer to deal with.
Look your rules are fairly good, but if you don’t fix the problems that people uncover you will be always dealing with people like Damage Inc. All it takes is a few minutes to update them and your better of in the end, as there will be less of a foot hole for people like Damage Inc. to work with. Don’t give them an inch and they won’t be able to take a foot.
TCA
As per walking a dupe to the bank being worthy of suspension. I know it sounds a little harsh but it is a good punishment. It is a good punishment because the person who leaves Newhaven is more likely to be dupe that will get in trouble later. Why deal with a larger problem later when you can nip it in the ass when you see it in the first place.
As per what you assumed. It really did seem like you posted those screen caps as being some sort of statement saying are you blind, didn’t you see/read them. The personal insult was meant in good jest if you look at the :P smiley face. Besides If I wanted to insult you for real I would have been much meaner.
Yes, you and I both know searching is not communicating; however, you and I are not the players making the problems, breaking the rules, or otherwise cheating. You need to make the rules so they are so cut and dry that there is no room for someone to interpret it in anyway other than what you stated it.
Well as far as the bright red rules go you can scroll right by it, with out a second glance all I’m saying is post them some where else in addition to the log-in. so if a person is in the realm they don’t have to log in and out to read them if they want to.
As far as my simple points go. 1 and 2 are not the same even though they deal with the same area of ignorance.
You said it yourself that you have a reminder posted for exiting the realm why not just post the rules again and skip the reminder. Look you can lead a horse to water but you can only make it drink if you shove a fricken hose down its throat and force the water in then you can. Unfortunately sysops need to put out their time to make everything run smoothly. People are not angels; if they were we wouldn’t need governments, rules or any other type of establishments.
I know this is not the NFL but a suspended person should still have access to the rules in order to fully understand what rule they broke. Second you are a sysop; which, means you baby-sit the board and the users on the board. So yes you are a baby-sitter or you wouldn’t have punished Kalus or given those items to Athen. Its good of you to say you will not take the same action in the future but the goal of having the rules is to prevent it from happening.
A rule or policy that does not prevent something bad from happening or cause things to run smoothly is ultimately flawed and should be fixed.
I’m not saying you need to write a book of every rule and every punishment. What I am saying is that you are the sysop you know what rules you have to re-enforce over and over again. Take a stand and stop taking shit about them. Make a short list of the incidents that happen and remember the excuses they try to use to get away with it. Then most come up with some rules that fully and clearly rebuke those excuses and create punishments that are harsh enough to deter those rules from being broken in the future. Post those rules with the punishments and punish people with a strict but fair hand and you’ll look like a better sysop as well have less people breaking your rules.
As for posting the rules in the morbid forum: It might seem like your treating 2 year olds but its really treating them as adults that deserve to be well informed and part of a BBS community rather than someone who just logs on to a server to play mud. Then if they have a question or suggestion about the rules they have a means to communicate about them and it turns out better in the end.
I really do realize how often you use deal with stuff like this and that is why we are having this discussion at the moment. I understand what you put up with and a fair idea of how often because I use to be a co-sysop and have been a mud-op a few times. What I am trying to do is allow you to not have to deal with it, as often and then when you need to deal with it to do so it will be swift and just.
Your right dealing with it is tiring but it won’t stop until you do something about it, firstly stop giving people warnings just suspend them. If you had just suspended kalus the few hours earlier instead of warning him, the rest of the incident wouldn’t have happened that day.
Are you beginning to see my point?
Second you have to make it very clear that you will punish someone harshly on the first offence, and if they are allowed a second chance that they will be punished even harsher or possible banned if they do it a second time.
Now onto the whining bullshit, if you want that to stop make it a rule. Something like this normally works.
Do not contact any sysop, or other op. about another player’s action in the realm unless that player has broken a rule. If you do contact a sysop or other op. and do not have proof of the rule breaking you will be suspended for 1 day for each time you have bothered me in the past.
The more you reward the whiners the more they will whine it’s a fact of life. If you deal with it like I suggested than you have the right not to deal with it. I know this seems unfair but a person that whines and complains is in fact wasting your time and by doing so adversely effecting you and the rest of the BBS as your time may be better spent on improving the BBS and your own personal interests.
I totally understand that you don’t want to deal with problems like the Kalus situation, but if you deal with it in a consistent and fair manner; there ends up being less repercussions and it becomes easer to deal with.
Look your rules are fairly good, but if you don’t fix the problems that people uncover you will be always dealing with people like Damage Inc. All it takes is a few minutes to update them and your better of in the end, as there will be less of a foot hole for people like Damage Inc. to work with. Don’t give them an inch and they won’t be able to take a foot.
TCA
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the crazy animal
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Re: warning: dont play here
Can u send me the cap please.
Hey syntax this is just a request you don't have to if you don't want to.
Why don't you just post this since it's a public conversation. I know i'm currious to see it as others probably are. It would be nice to know if he really did cheat when killing athen or the cap was altered in someway.
we already know that he broke a rule but beyond that it would be nice to have some closure to kalus's incident.
TCA
Hey syntax this is just a request you don't have to if you don't want to.
Why don't you just post this since it's a public conversation. I know i'm currious to see it as others probably are. It would be nice to know if he really did cheat when killing athen or the cap was altered in someway.
we already know that he broke a rule but beyond that it would be nice to have some closure to kalus's incident.
TCA
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Ok i admit i broke the rules but the punishment should not have been item stripage. You didn't answer my question in your last post.
How did i illegaly kill Athen? I might have broken the rules but it had nothing to do with Athen been killed. If Athen's cap shows me searchign with the dupe then immediatly afterwards rounding him with Kalus then the cap has been altered because that isnt what happened. Can u send me the cap please.
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I never got this warning. What did u do telepath it to me when i was afk?
i answered your question a million times. you searched with the dupe and attacked him with your regular guy. the issue we have is you say that is false. the cap is on my work computer. if this is still being dragged out on monday and i remember i'll post it.
How did i illegaly kill Athen? I might have broken the rules but it had nothing to do with Athen been killed. If Athen's cap shows me searchign with the dupe then immediatly afterwards rounding him with Kalus then the cap has been altered because that isnt what happened. Can u send me the cap please.
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I never got this warning. What did u do telepath it to me when i was afk?
i answered your question a million times. you searched with the dupe and attacked him with your regular guy. the issue we have is you say that is false. the cap is on my work computer. if this is still being dragged out on monday and i remember i'll post it.
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If the cap shows me seaching with the dupe then immediatly attacking him with my regular guy like u said, then it is fake.
You can check this by looking at the logon/logoff times and you will see my dupe has logged off a few minutes before Athen hangs when killed him.
After you verify this, what punishment are you going to give to Athen for cheating by sending you the fake cap that lead to all this?
And when do I get my gear back?
You can check this by looking at the logon/logoff times and you will see my dupe has logged off a few minutes before Athen hangs when killed him.
After you verify this, what punishment are you going to give to Athen for cheating by sending you the fake cap that lead to all this?
And when do I get my gear back?
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I never had the dupe logged on at the same time and i never searched with it and then attacked with my other character. All i did was COMMUNICATE.
I bring in the dupe and search around where im hung a bit.
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Dupe logs off about 5 seconds after Kalus enters.
:nono:
I bring in the dupe and search around where im hung a bit.
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Dupe logs off about 5 seconds after Kalus enters.
:nono:
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Necrosaro420
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Re: warning: dont play here
Hey Syntax,
You think its a fair punishment to suspend me for a week, strip my character of all its items which took months to get, all becaues i searched around town a bit with my level 1 dupe when my main character was hung?
I can't find anything in your rules on the logon screen that would lead me to believe that what i did was illegal.
but earlier you said you didnt search? Make up your mind.
You think its a fair punishment to suspend me for a week, strip my character of all its items which took months to get, all becaues i searched around town a bit with my level 1 dupe when my main character was hung?
I can't find anything in your rules on the logon screen that would lead me to believe that what i did was illegal.
but earlier you said you didnt search? Make up your mind.
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Hey Syntax,
You think its a fair punishment to suspend me for a week, strip my character of all its items which took months to get, all becaues i searched around town a bit with my level 1 dupe when my main character was hung?
I can't find anything in your rules on the logon screen that would lead me to believe that what i did was illegal.
I never had the dupe logged on at the same time and i never searched with it and then attacked with my other character. All i did was COMMUNICATE.
Um both times he claims to have his dupe on, when his other was offline.
You think its a fair punishment to suspend me for a week, strip my character of all its items which took months to get, all becaues i searched around town a bit with my level 1 dupe when my main character was hung?
I can't find anything in your rules on the logon screen that would lead me to believe that what i did was illegal.
I never had the dupe logged on at the same time and i never searched with it and then attacked with my other character. All i did was COMMUNICATE.
Um both times he claims to have his dupe on, when his other was offline.