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So we convict people via the guilt by association theory? I can't see coloring you a thief because one of your friends stole something. That's just flawed thinking.
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Perhaps, but I never said that. What I said, or rather implied, was that anyone that can get along that well with so many people that harbor such evil ideals is not someone to be trusted. No matter what stance they portray.
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Our fighter jets have more than long range air-to-air missiles.
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Yes, but I'm fairly certain they'd have some on those crafts. I remember someone in the military once telling me they carry 6 missiles standard, 4 of medium range and 2 of long range. Or 4 of long and 2 of medium, I forget.
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Although I do find it hard to believe that our planes couldn't get there within 25 minutes of flight 11 being identified as hijacked. Norad wasn't called for 20 minutes. Why is that?
http://cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/
An interesting look at all of the foul ups made, maybe it was human error or maybe it was erred humans. The truth is out there....
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I rarely say what I think about the events since I often get called stupid and dismissed. Funny thing, people that make near minimum wage are saying this and my intelligence tests have put me above Mensa's standards, but that's no matter... I'm stupid because I think ill of our 'great' government. Anyway, I really believe Bush is causing war to keep himself in office longer. To quote Men In Black, "A PERSON is smart. PEOPLE are dumb, panicy animals and you know it." The general public deems him a great heroic president for fighting these villains of his own creation. It will most likely earn him a second term. If, God forbid, the Iraqi war starts World War III... which is quite possible when you consider that Hussein may well use a biological or chemical weapon when attacked, and the US would almost certainly retaliate with a nuclear strike, thus inviting other nations that hate us (such as China) to become involved.... and thus bringing all of NATO in on the newly formed "we finally have an excuse to bomb America" alliance... Then he may be able to keep himself in office even longer by reviving the "no administration change during wartime" way. Which he could almost certainly do considering his party basically controls the government thanks to the democrats blundering this election. I find it quite terrifying since none of it is really that unbelievable or unlikely. And as a great man once said, "I don't know what World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm#1
Great site pointing out the many, many problems with the story out government is telling us. Of course, the close-minded fools will brush this all off as "conspiracy bullshit" because it's simply too hard to believe that the government really let this happen.
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You make points. I don't see this as conspiracy propoganda though. I see it as citizens exercising their duty to question the leaders that somehow get put into office.
The really disturbing thing about 9/11 was that if they had notified NORAD at the time they deemed the flight hijacked, those planes could've had a couple of hot packs on them to ensure one or both would've gone down.
Ya like how Bush sat in the school down here for 20 mins after that and continued telling the story of the goat? That's absolutely ridiculous. How about his comments regarding when he saw a replay of the first tower hit, "What a really bad pilot"
The really disturbing thing about 9/11 was that if they had notified NORAD at the time they deemed the flight hijacked, those planes could've had a couple of hot packs on them to ensure one or both would've gone down.
Ya like how Bush sat in the school down here for 20 mins after that and continued telling the story of the goat? That's absolutely ridiculous. How about his comments regarding when he saw a replay of the first tower hit, "What a really bad pilot"
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You don't see September eleventh as a conspiracy? Did you check the website I posted, here it is again www.infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com)
Here's a thread I know ALOT perhaps WAY to much about, the goverment has always ALWAYS been of interest to me.
This is ultimate proof, this guy Alex Jones spends his life searching for conspiracies. Ok lemme break it down. In order to unite a nation under a common cause OR leader you need to create a sense of "National Threat".
A) Hitler utilitzed this method very well and it worked on his public.
B)The Northwood documents is an actual document located in The National Archives that stated Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbour 9 days before it happened, He recieved this information from a pirated bandwith of General Yomoto(SP)'s battleship. A pirated broadcast from the general to the emporer and after translation told of the story. Roosevelt knew and so did like 10-12 other key members at the time
C) Oklahoma City Bombing was an inside job, as the building was supposed to of been run through the side right? Wrong, there was actually TWO Explosions according to eye witness accounts and thanks to forensics it's obvious that the explosions came from INSIDE the building taking the structure out.
D) 9/11. Ok i'll get to this in a minute
E)Sniper Attacks.
Listen I can talk for hours about 9/11. Let me sum it up for you. Theres proof that CIA agents tried to arrest the "Taliban" In a FLA airport, They recieved word that if they were to detain these terrorists they would be placed under arrest. The real kicker is the threat came from the White House, yes George Bush himself. now why would America not want to do such an Act? Who owns the World Trade center? Nobody right, wrong. The goverment, as the WTC was the center for ou nations commerce. Being we are a capitolist society we run of the exchange of products. Now where did all those 2000+ business in the WTC go? No where, they are out of business. Why do you think they decided to NOT rebuild the WTC and instead put some lame ass light show. Now it gets deeper, You all heard about the Taliban being trained bye the CIA but heres a kicker, You know Bin Ladens brother lives in america right? and more of his family then spoken of. His Family has had an enourmus role in George Bush's success, as they contributed heavily to his presidential campaign. One month before 9/11 George Bush went to Afghanistan and asked to run a pipeline from the Caspian Sea through thier country so Russia could recieve oil, Afghanistan declined the offer and look what happened. If you don't believe what I am saying thats not for me to decide, but before you flame me think about it and look at the facts, just go to the infowars website......an go to the New World Order section....Oh man your in for a ride.
Here's a thread I know ALOT perhaps WAY to much about, the goverment has always ALWAYS been of interest to me.
This is ultimate proof, this guy Alex Jones spends his life searching for conspiracies. Ok lemme break it down. In order to unite a nation under a common cause OR leader you need to create a sense of "National Threat".
A) Hitler utilitzed this method very well and it worked on his public.
B)The Northwood documents is an actual document located in The National Archives that stated Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbour 9 days before it happened, He recieved this information from a pirated bandwith of General Yomoto(SP)'s battleship. A pirated broadcast from the general to the emporer and after translation told of the story. Roosevelt knew and so did like 10-12 other key members at the time
C) Oklahoma City Bombing was an inside job, as the building was supposed to of been run through the side right? Wrong, there was actually TWO Explosions according to eye witness accounts and thanks to forensics it's obvious that the explosions came from INSIDE the building taking the structure out.
D) 9/11. Ok i'll get to this in a minute
E)Sniper Attacks.
Listen I can talk for hours about 9/11. Let me sum it up for you. Theres proof that CIA agents tried to arrest the "Taliban" In a FLA airport, They recieved word that if they were to detain these terrorists they would be placed under arrest. The real kicker is the threat came from the White House, yes George Bush himself. now why would America not want to do such an Act? Who owns the World Trade center? Nobody right, wrong. The goverment, as the WTC was the center for ou nations commerce. Being we are a capitolist society we run of the exchange of products. Now where did all those 2000+ business in the WTC go? No where, they are out of business. Why do you think they decided to NOT rebuild the WTC and instead put some lame ass light show. Now it gets deeper, You all heard about the Taliban being trained bye the CIA but heres a kicker, You know Bin Ladens brother lives in america right? and more of his family then spoken of. His Family has had an enourmus role in George Bush's success, as they contributed heavily to his presidential campaign. One month before 9/11 George Bush went to Afghanistan and asked to run a pipeline from the Caspian Sea through thier country so Russia could recieve oil, Afghanistan declined the offer and look what happened. If you don't believe what I am saying thats not for me to decide, but before you flame me think about it and look at the facts, just go to the infowars website......an go to the New World Order section....Oh man your in for a ride.
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damn thats 2 much reading...
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amen brotha x
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A first grade teacher explains to her class that she is a
liberal Democrat. She asks her students to raise their hands
if they were liberal Democrats too. Not really knowing what
a liberal Democrat was, but wanting to be like their
teacher, their hands flew up into the air.
There was, however, one exception. A girl named Lucy had not
gone along with the crowd. The teacher asks her why she has
decided to be different.
"Because I'm not a liberal Democrat."
"Then," asks the teacher, "What are you?"
"Why I'm a proud conservative Republican," boasts the little
girl.
The teacher, a little perturbed and her face slightly red,
asked Lucy why she is a conservative Republican.
"Well, I was brought up to trust in myself instead of
relying on an intrusive government to care for me and do all
of my thinking. My Dad and Mom are conservative Republicans,
and I am a conservative Republican too."
The teacher, now angry, loudly says, "That's no reason! What
if your Mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron. What
would you be then?"
She pauses, and lets out a smile. "Then," Lucy says, "I'd be
a liberal Democrat."
liberal Democrat. She asks her students to raise their hands
if they were liberal Democrats too. Not really knowing what
a liberal Democrat was, but wanting to be like their
teacher, their hands flew up into the air.
There was, however, one exception. A girl named Lucy had not
gone along with the crowd. The teacher asks her why she has
decided to be different.
"Because I'm not a liberal Democrat."
"Then," asks the teacher, "What are you?"
"Why I'm a proud conservative Republican," boasts the little
girl.
The teacher, a little perturbed and her face slightly red,
asked Lucy why she is a conservative Republican.
"Well, I was brought up to trust in myself instead of
relying on an intrusive government to care for me and do all
of my thinking. My Dad and Mom are conservative Republicans,
and I am a conservative Republican too."
The teacher, now angry, loudly says, "That's no reason! What
if your Mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron. What
would you be then?"
She pauses, and lets out a smile. "Then," Lucy says, "I'd be
a liberal Democrat."
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So let me get this straight... upon facing evidence that the republican president was almost certainly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American civilians, your retort is "I can't read that much?"
Then you make up some bullshit story about how it's the democratic way to rely on the government rather than do things for themselves? And... Oh my GOD I can't believe you ACTUALLY said this one... DEMOCRATS are the ones with the intrusive government. Then why is it that REPUBLICANS are trying to tell me what religion I'm allowed to practice? Why is it that REPUBLICANS are the ones trying to tell me who I'm allowed to marry? Why is it that REPUBLICANS are the ones trying to tell women if they're allowed to get an abortion? Do I need to go on? What planet do you live on, Xetox? It sure as HELL isn't Earth. Either that, or you're mixed up on the differences between liberal and conservative. Let me help you out..
Liberal - Believes in helping the less fortunate, and civil libererties.
Conservative - Believes in telling the less fortunate to "get off their asses" and making laws based off Christian morals and pissing on Freedom Of Religion.
Or perhaps in this case...
Liberal - Thinks for themselves and uncover the facts
Conservative - Can't read 2 pages
Then you make up some bullshit story about how it's the democratic way to rely on the government rather than do things for themselves? And... Oh my GOD I can't believe you ACTUALLY said this one... DEMOCRATS are the ones with the intrusive government. Then why is it that REPUBLICANS are trying to tell me what religion I'm allowed to practice? Why is it that REPUBLICANS are the ones trying to tell me who I'm allowed to marry? Why is it that REPUBLICANS are the ones trying to tell women if they're allowed to get an abortion? Do I need to go on? What planet do you live on, Xetox? It sure as HELL isn't Earth. Either that, or you're mixed up on the differences between liberal and conservative. Let me help you out..
Liberal - Believes in helping the less fortunate, and civil libererties.
Conservative - Believes in telling the less fortunate to "get off their asses" and making laws based off Christian morals and pissing on Freedom Of Religion.
Or perhaps in this case...
Liberal - Thinks for themselves and uncover the facts
Conservative - Can't read 2 pages
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Liberal - believes in strong central government.
Conservative - just a bunch of derelicts as are the aforementioned.
Liberalism, conservatism, who really gives a hoot? It's the issues that matter and how you view each individually. Cuz although the liberals and conservatives see little words on big pieces of papers, those issues have names, faces and families!
Conservative - just a bunch of derelicts as are the aforementioned.
Liberalism, conservatism, who really gives a hoot? It's the issues that matter and how you view each individually. Cuz although the liberals and conservatives see little words on big pieces of papers, those issues have names, faces and families!
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dude...it was a joke from my boss...thought it fit the topic, calm down...
I am neither, if I was forced to choose I would have to say I was more a republican than a demodick but I consider myself neither...
as far a me saying it much to long to read.....I just did not have the time to read the articles you all was posting......I can tell you hate Repubs....fine, great, personaly I think all polticians are bunk, but as far as past presidents go I think Bush is doing a fine job...and I will lay money down, I will bet anyone here 50 bones that if he runs again he WILL get reelected!
I am neither, if I was forced to choose I would have to say I was more a republican than a demodick but I consider myself neither...
as far a me saying it much to long to read.....I just did not have the time to read the articles you all was posting......I can tell you hate Repubs....fine, great, personaly I think all polticians are bunk, but as far as past presidents go I think Bush is doing a fine job...and I will lay money down, I will bet anyone here 50 bones that if he runs again he WILL get reelected!
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1. After a meeting concerning terrorism some time before 9/11, John Ashcroft immediately stopped flying on commercial jets. He OBVIOUSLY had knowledge that there was some risk, even if they weren't sure what. The airlines were kept completely in the dark, and no extra security was taken.
2. Eyewitnesses from the WTC collapses claim that the US fighter jets got to the towers just "a matter of seconds too late after the second plane struck." Are you familiar with US fighter jets? They're not made for melee combat. They're made to get a radar lock and fire long range missiles from FAR before visual range. According to what these eyewitnesses are saying, those jets COULD have shot down the second plane before it hit the WTC. If they were only a few seconds too late as the witnesses say, they had ample time to lock on and fire missiles. Isn't it just a little odd that the fighter jets never managed to get to ANY of the planes? They can move at TWICE THE SPEED OF SOUND! One final note is that Bush's lackies said it was a "tough decision" on whether or not to try and take down the plane(s). No. The rule book says DO IT. No decisions. DO IT. Why the lies?
3. When the attacks happened George W Bush was in Sarasota, Florida on his way to Booker School. He showed up there anyway. It just doesn't work that way, boys and girls. The rule book pretty much says that in that situation, Booker School was the MOST DANGEROUS PLACE TO BE. The ONLY way this would've been allowed is if either he, or someone else in charge knew what the targets were and that Booker School was not one of them. Now I can buy that Bush is stupid enough not to listen to procedures. But the rest of the staff? No way. They knew something.
For one yes they admit they Knew something one going on...and if u new something was going down would you fly? NO...but if they tried to ground all planes for say even 3 days, all the airlines would have went belly up! All they could do was wait and try to do what they could.....
as far as the fighters not doing anything, even know they prolly could - have you ever been in the military? Well I have, and to get a order like that it would have to pretty much come down a chain larger than Rabid old lady’s box to shoot down our own plane, yes they may have been close enough in time...but did they have a direct order yet to fire? prolly not......
But here is a thought for ya to sink in...my cuz is a chief master sgt at norad....and the story he tells me is that there was a report come across that we shot down one of our own......once this report came across he was told not to mention it again and the subject was droped!.....so did the passangers realy bring down the plane? or did we, and they just dont want us to know....we will never know for sure but I have my doubts that the passengers turly did it.
why is it nothing happened in the 8 years of Clinton, but in two years Cause Clinton was a pussy ass piece of shit, that only worried about where his next BJ was going to come from! And how he could fuck the us out of more money...
People look at things in democrat/republican or black/white terms and it is far deeper than that. Don't vote for someone because of what party they have, look at their record and do homework on them. I Agree!
2. Eyewitnesses from the WTC collapses claim that the US fighter jets got to the towers just "a matter of seconds too late after the second plane struck." Are you familiar with US fighter jets? They're not made for melee combat. They're made to get a radar lock and fire long range missiles from FAR before visual range. According to what these eyewitnesses are saying, those jets COULD have shot down the second plane before it hit the WTC. If they were only a few seconds too late as the witnesses say, they had ample time to lock on and fire missiles. Isn't it just a little odd that the fighter jets never managed to get to ANY of the planes? They can move at TWICE THE SPEED OF SOUND! One final note is that Bush's lackies said it was a "tough decision" on whether or not to try and take down the plane(s). No. The rule book says DO IT. No decisions. DO IT. Why the lies?
3. When the attacks happened George W Bush was in Sarasota, Florida on his way to Booker School. He showed up there anyway. It just doesn't work that way, boys and girls. The rule book pretty much says that in that situation, Booker School was the MOST DANGEROUS PLACE TO BE. The ONLY way this would've been allowed is if either he, or someone else in charge knew what the targets were and that Booker School was not one of them. Now I can buy that Bush is stupid enough not to listen to procedures. But the rest of the staff? No way. They knew something.
For one yes they admit they Knew something one going on...and if u new something was going down would you fly? NO...but if they tried to ground all planes for say even 3 days, all the airlines would have went belly up! All they could do was wait and try to do what they could.....
as far as the fighters not doing anything, even know they prolly could - have you ever been in the military? Well I have, and to get a order like that it would have to pretty much come down a chain larger than Rabid old lady’s box to shoot down our own plane, yes they may have been close enough in time...but did they have a direct order yet to fire? prolly not......
But here is a thought for ya to sink in...my cuz is a chief master sgt at norad....and the story he tells me is that there was a report come across that we shot down one of our own......once this report came across he was told not to mention it again and the subject was droped!.....so did the passangers realy bring down the plane? or did we, and they just dont want us to know....we will never know for sure but I have my doubts that the passengers turly did it.
why is it nothing happened in the 8 years of Clinton, but in two years Cause Clinton was a pussy ass piece of shit, that only worried about where his next BJ was going to come from! And how he could fuck the us out of more money...
People look at things in democrat/republican or black/white terms and it is far deeper than that. Don't vote for someone because of what party they have, look at their record and do homework on them. I Agree!