If you saw my point you wouldn't have written this long post to tell me how I'm wrong.
you are overly anal over fluff and want to instruct others to provide it for you and your like, even though you have had your own bbs to make changes on and fuck up as you would have others. What is so hard to understand? Understanding doesn't mean I agree or give a shit. Should the bbs fluff change, my vote is just for instant entrance in to the game after logging on, less fluff, not more, but even that should take a back seat to the game.
That you want fluff, that you assume it offers something to the mudder in the way of speaking to the game edits ie: "he cares, he wealy wealy cares..." Is fucking retarded and moronic. I Understand your point, it is not that complex. Understanding you, there is no point to, I don't care why you have such needs, I don't care that your mommy made you so uslessly anal, I don't even care that there may well be more of you...I just want MajorMud.
BTW: For those that feel like Syntax, might I suggest a return to legit boards, they are far far better done, as fluff goes, than most hacked and edited bbses you will find here in these forums generally intended to put focus on majormud games only. Ya want fluff cool, but there really are better places to find it than these forums or the bbses posting ads here. Ya want edited MajorMud games, where the mud is practiclly all the ops care about... these forums you will find no equall to.
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That you want fluff, that you assume it offers something to the mudder in the way of speaking to the game edits ie: "he cares, he wealy wealy cares..." Is fucking retarded and moronic. I Understand your point, it is not that complex. Understanding you, there is no point to, I don't care why you have such needs, I don't care that your mommy made you so uslessly anal, I don't even care that there may well be more of you...I just want MajorMud.
thanks, you've just made your everything you've said amount to shit by joining the other idiots who can't debate a topic without dropping in the insults.
thanks, you've just made your everything you've said amount to shit by joining the other idiots who can't debate a topic without dropping in the insults.
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thanks, you've just made your everything you've said amount to shit by joining the other idiots who can't debate a topic without dropping in the insults.
Not intended as insult Syntax, I just saw you getting short, tiring of my "long" posts, so I cut through the pretence just for you. You agree MajorMud is the focus in those bbses that post to these forums. What is debate about fluff, non MajorMud, other than being anal? You may not like the term, but think about it, it is fully accurate.
If you want to pretend your points have something else to do with majormud games and the edited bbses here that do not hold a candle (as fluff goes) to legit boards you are fooling yourself. Fluff does not equall caring and you damn well know it as well as I. It is a quick deseption you suggest may help draw more users, having them think the ops care about the majormud game(s) inside.
You argue just to argue, you know all I have pointed out probably better than I do, and you want to debate it with "short" posts only out of a needed to feel 'right' feeling so anal as to even want to present "fluff can trick users in to thinking you care, and it only takes 5 mins.!!!"
I have cut now through the damn pretence, just as I like to cut through the fluff, if you can't face the truth head on in a debate then you are not really worth debating further.
Sorry for the stray in your forum here Raiden. I would point readers now to Raiden's BBS news forum posts, where he has indeed tried to go beyond templates and talk more of what his majormud game is trying to offer.
Not intended as insult Syntax, I just saw you getting short, tiring of my "long" posts, so I cut through the pretence just for you. You agree MajorMud is the focus in those bbses that post to these forums. What is debate about fluff, non MajorMud, other than being anal? You may not like the term, but think about it, it is fully accurate.
If you want to pretend your points have something else to do with majormud games and the edited bbses here that do not hold a candle (as fluff goes) to legit boards you are fooling yourself. Fluff does not equall caring and you damn well know it as well as I. It is a quick deseption you suggest may help draw more users, having them think the ops care about the majormud game(s) inside.
You argue just to argue, you know all I have pointed out probably better than I do, and you want to debate it with "short" posts only out of a needed to feel 'right' feeling so anal as to even want to present "fluff can trick users in to thinking you care, and it only takes 5 mins.!!!"
I have cut now through the damn pretence, just as I like to cut through the fluff, if you can't face the truth head on in a debate then you are not really worth debating further.
Sorry for the stray in your forum here Raiden. I would point readers now to Raiden's BBS news forum posts, where he has indeed tried to go beyond templates and talk more of what his majormud game is trying to offer.
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This has turned out to be a bit of an extended conversation but ill try and keep it short. In the years i've played (an op'ed) on BBS's one of the first things i always look for was main menu ansi's. Why i can partially agree with Raiden on his part ( ANSI's do not a MUD make) i also have to view it from an old school popint of view. When you make Menu ANSI's it shows a certain ammount of dedication to a system you dont want to vanish so easily.
It helps to display fortitude as not being a "fly my night" system as so many people at Metro like to portray us. I grant, making good menu ANSI is NOT an easy task and can be very time consuming but in the end it adds a much richer feel to your BBS than the usual bland scheme that worldgroup ccomes packaged with. I cant say exactly for sure because i've never visited BoinkBBS itself, for all i know it may be a "diamond in the rough: but i can say from roughly 10 years of experience people like to see ANSI menus added because it shows a certain level of dedication to ones piece of work.
Feel free to message me and ill offer any advice possible.
It helps to display fortitude as not being a "fly my night" system as so many people at Metro like to portray us. I grant, making good menu ANSI is NOT an easy task and can be very time consuming but in the end it adds a much richer feel to your BBS than the usual bland scheme that worldgroup ccomes packaged with. I cant say exactly for sure because i've never visited BoinkBBS itself, for all i know it may be a "diamond in the rough: but i can say from roughly 10 years of experience people like to see ANSI menus added because it shows a certain level of dedication to ones piece of work.
Feel free to message me and ill offer any advice possible.
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Ripper, 8 posts, are you new to MMB out of curiosity? I've never seen you here before.
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Wow --
I never intended for these posts to go this direction, but hey...
Syntax, I hold nothing against you, and I want the other users to know that as well. I enjoyed writing back and forth with you here and debating. It truly add's to the day, as long as it can be done without the insults and flames.
Thank you as well for the help you are giving me in figuring out why the mud is corrupting, it's all appreciated.
-Raiden
boinkmachine.dyndns.org
I never intended for these posts to go this direction, but hey...
Syntax, I hold nothing against you, and I want the other users to know that as well. I enjoyed writing back and forth with you here and debating. It truly add's to the day, as long as it can be done without the insults and flames.
Thank you as well for the help you are giving me in figuring out why the mud is corrupting, it's all appreciated.
-Raiden
boinkmachine.dyndns.org
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i can say from roughly 10 years of experience people like to see ANSI menus added because it shows a certain level of dedication to ones piece of work.
on a 10yr old system... okay I will go with ya there, probably even on a 2-3yr old system a lil more show is not a bad thing. But before edits, that is truely what you get from ansi menus from 10yrs exp invisigod? I am sorry, I just do not believe you can honestly think that way, even where your 10 yrs was 1yr exp 10 times over.
If the ansi is great and the game sucks, the bbses advertising here only will fail. if the ansi doesn't even exsist and the game rocks one small avertisment here and your bbs will more than likely be the buzz of these forums.
If the above is generally true, in your experience, do you think it is smart to focus on ansi at the cost of game edits or game edits at the cost of ansi as a brand new MUD wanting to advertise and draw a user base from these forums?
how many from one advertisment will even check back seeing everything stock but ansi menus, where there is not further talk down the road about the game and it's edits? Menus on sinister, morbid, omc, lunar, mudrev etc., those that been arround a bit and drawn players for the work on game edits is one thing, menus and little else on a new system though is just a turn off suggesting the game is "perhaps" not top priority. Who hasn't seen enough of that from metro and legit muds where we all have in the past payed through the nose for the privlege to beg for mods that ops might consider if everyone agrees to pay even more for credits?
You can't say, it takes 5 mins, but it DOES show level of dedication. 5 min of anything doesn't dedication make. why do you hack and edit worldgroup invisi? was it because of your frustration with thier lask of true dedication to ansi menus? *laugh* nope, I didn't think so, it was for the majormud game...
Given muds that have been arround a bit longer, built a player base and earned attention through thier edits, do, for the most part have more interesting menus too, but they have never gotten to where they are because of the menus, it is the game, and what they did there differently.
Am I new to the forums... not really, been arround for some time(well over a yr) just generally don't see much worth commenting about. I pretty much only care to even read bbs links, bbs news and occationally morbid's forum for what is new out there to look at. Mud news, if you haven't guessed :P for debate bbses, eye candies and anything 'non edited majormud' I go else where. I just mainly care to see what new edits have been dreamed up to an old game favorite.
This all really seems further and further from the intended topic of this forum. I feel any further debate on these topics or my person use of the forums need to move to some other fourm. This doesn't seem quite fair to Raiden's attempt to just advertise his Mud/bbs and possibly keep readers informed of its progress later. If I remember right you are an FM invisi, move the topic elsewhere and inform me if you wish to continue, or I will respond to nothing further here but the mud inteneded to be the topic.
on a 10yr old system... okay I will go with ya there, probably even on a 2-3yr old system a lil more show is not a bad thing. But before edits, that is truely what you get from ansi menus from 10yrs exp invisigod? I am sorry, I just do not believe you can honestly think that way, even where your 10 yrs was 1yr exp 10 times over.
If the ansi is great and the game sucks, the bbses advertising here only will fail. if the ansi doesn't even exsist and the game rocks one small avertisment here and your bbs will more than likely be the buzz of these forums.
If the above is generally true, in your experience, do you think it is smart to focus on ansi at the cost of game edits or game edits at the cost of ansi as a brand new MUD wanting to advertise and draw a user base from these forums?
how many from one advertisment will even check back seeing everything stock but ansi menus, where there is not further talk down the road about the game and it's edits? Menus on sinister, morbid, omc, lunar, mudrev etc., those that been arround a bit and drawn players for the work on game edits is one thing, menus and little else on a new system though is just a turn off suggesting the game is "perhaps" not top priority. Who hasn't seen enough of that from metro and legit muds where we all have in the past payed through the nose for the privlege to beg for mods that ops might consider if everyone agrees to pay even more for credits?
You can't say, it takes 5 mins, but it DOES show level of dedication. 5 min of anything doesn't dedication make. why do you hack and edit worldgroup invisi? was it because of your frustration with thier lask of true dedication to ansi menus? *laugh* nope, I didn't think so, it was for the majormud game...
Given muds that have been arround a bit longer, built a player base and earned attention through thier edits, do, for the most part have more interesting menus too, but they have never gotten to where they are because of the menus, it is the game, and what they did there differently.
Am I new to the forums... not really, been arround for some time(well over a yr) just generally don't see much worth commenting about. I pretty much only care to even read bbs links, bbs news and occationally morbid's forum for what is new out there to look at. Mud news, if you haven't guessed :P for debate bbses, eye candies and anything 'non edited majormud' I go else where. I just mainly care to see what new edits have been dreamed up to an old game favorite.
This all really seems further and further from the intended topic of this forum. I feel any further debate on these topics or my person use of the forums need to move to some other fourm. This doesn't seem quite fair to Raiden's attempt to just advertise his Mud/bbs and possibly keep readers informed of its progress later. If I remember right you are an FM invisi, move the topic elsewhere and inform me if you wish to continue, or I will respond to nothing further here but the mud inteneded to be the topic.
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WOW! This has turned out to be one of the best discussions here i've had in a long time. Ill have to post more imput when i get back home from work later :D
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geezus christ
Is it so hard to understand that people have differences of opinions?
I dislike boards without ansis. If it is a new board that just came up and I do not know the sysop, I will not play. Period. (That is, if I had time to play at all)
People do it this way, people do it that way, everyone likes different things. There is no right or wrong.
In the time that it took for Raiden (or any of the other people here) to respond to the posts, ansi menus could have already been put in, and both parties pleased.
You do realize that you're not trying to get ONE group of players to your board, right? The one or two players you do get from ansi menus would be worth it. It's not difficult, it CAN'T hurt, and everyones making a large fluff about nothing.
I didn't even get to read half of these posts, just perused. Hopefully I'll be able to read more later and offer a better opinion.
I thank you again for the criticism, but like I said, I completely disagree. I don't know anyone... and I can repeat that again -- anyone, who either plays on a board, or left a board solely because of great, spectacular, and entertaining '1980's' ANSI menus.
Well, now you know a few. Open your eyes and ears and maybe you'll learn something from the masses. People like different shit, appease everyone and you'll do fine. Think you're way of thinking is the only way of thinking, and you'll be gone in a week.
Is it so hard to understand that people have differences of opinions?
I dislike boards without ansis. If it is a new board that just came up and I do not know the sysop, I will not play. Period. (That is, if I had time to play at all)
People do it this way, people do it that way, everyone likes different things. There is no right or wrong.
In the time that it took for Raiden (or any of the other people here) to respond to the posts, ansi menus could have already been put in, and both parties pleased.
You do realize that you're not trying to get ONE group of players to your board, right? The one or two players you do get from ansi menus would be worth it. It's not difficult, it CAN'T hurt, and everyones making a large fluff about nothing.
I didn't even get to read half of these posts, just perused. Hopefully I'll be able to read more later and offer a better opinion.
I thank you again for the criticism, but like I said, I completely disagree. I don't know anyone... and I can repeat that again -- anyone, who either plays on a board, or left a board solely because of great, spectacular, and entertaining '1980's' ANSI menus.
Well, now you know a few. Open your eyes and ears and maybe you'll learn something from the masses. People like different shit, appease everyone and you'll do fine. Think you're way of thinking is the only way of thinking, and you'll be gone in a week.
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I think the only place you'll find the word "fluff" used more frequently is a porn shoot.. Anyhow - It's been a discussion, that's for sure, though I think the same point has been hammered back and forth the last 3 or 4 posts. And I think if Raiden really felt the ansi menus were important they'd be changed by now, but the user base has increased 10x over since he opened, so attracting players to the game seems not to have been a problem. It's a great start, Raiden, I look forward to seeing where you can take your ideas. ;)