New Area: Hokkaido

[syntax53]

how come my posts from last night are gone

if you haven't noticed the forums are all sorts of messed up. i actually have a reply for you guys too that proves my point (i did testing with two characters), i'm just waiting for the forums to get fixed to post it.

[Platinum]

hey syn, howd you get the scroll boxes around that??

[iNViSiGOD]

hey syn, howd you get the scroll boxes around that??



I was wondering that myself too. Thought it was just the way my iMac was displaying it but guess not

[syntax53]

hey syn, howd you get the scroll boxes around that??

it's just how this new version of vB is displays it

[syntax53]

anyway, back to this deabte ... sometimes i wonder if people even read my posts. it seems like people just check to see if i agree with them or not, and then post the same thing again if i don't. since words are not proving my point, maybe raw statistics will. i took a level 70 samurai and a level 70 paladin and scripted them each for 15 minutes in the purple and white mod9 worms. here are the results.





Miss: 14%

Hit: 48% Rng:42-96 Avg:68

Extra: 0% Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Crit: 38% Rng:192-399 Avg:299

BS: --- Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Pre: N/A Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Cast: N/A Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Round: Rng:43-1110 Avg:570

Sneak: 0%

Dodge: 4%



True Average: 731.3 (Hit %-48, Hit AVG-68, Extra %-0, Extra AVG-0, Crit %-38, Crit AVG-299, Swings-11.1111)



Name: KGB Espionage Lives/CP: 8/2

Race: Lupis Exp: 3394728548 Perception: 60

Class: Samurai Level: 70 Stealth: 120

Hits: 917/953 Armour Class: 83/19 Thievery: 0

Kai: * 66/69 Traps: 0

Picklocks: 0

Strength: 145 Agility: 130 Tracking: 257

Intellect: 80 Health: 140 Martial Arts: 62

Willpower: 62 Charm: 80 MagicRes: 73

You feel ferocious!



mithril ring (Finger)

crimson spiked shield (Off-Hand)

adamantite scale gauntlets (Hands)

starsteel bracers (Arms)

crowned spider skull (Head)

ruby necklace (Neck)

severed head of Irikani (Worn)

code of honor (Back)

lionskin belt (Waist)

ogre bone bracelet (Wrist)

skull mask (Ears)

ruby-eyed skull ring (Finger)

stormmetal scalemail tunic (Torso)

emerald-studded bracelet (Wrist)

adamantite enforced boots (Feet)

crimson scalemail leggings (Legs)

Hattori Hanzo Sword (Weapon Hand)



Miss: 14%

Hit: 45% Rng:38-98 Avg:67

Extra: 2% Rng:5-14 Avg:8

Crit: 41% Rng:192-403 Avg:298

BS: --- Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Pre: N/A Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Cast: N/A Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Round: Rng:61-1101 Avg:553

Sneak: 0%

Dodge: 0%



True Average: 762.34 (Hit %-45, Hit AVG-67, Extra %-2, Extra AVG-8, Crit %-41, Crit AVG-298, Swings-11.1111)



Name: Syntax Blackvail Lives/CP: 9/0

Race: Dwarf Exp: 4994162674 Perception: 113

Class: Paladin Level: 70 Stealth: 0

Hits: 838/980 Armour Class: 92/32 Thievery: 0

Mana: 134/146 Spellcasting: 214 Traps: 0

Picklocks: 0

Strength: 140 Agility: 120 Tracking: 0

Intellect: 100 Health: 144 Martial Arts: 42

Willpower: 90 Charm: 70 MagicRes: 107

You feel VERY lucky!

You are filled with divine power!



He is equipped with:



star helm (Head)

mithril earrings (Ears)

cat's-eye pendant (Neck)

firebrand cape (Back)

petrified stone corselet (Torso)

platinum bracers (Arms)

blackened bracelet (Wrist)

ogre bone bracelet (Wrist)

starsteel plate gauntlets (Hands)

gold jeweled ring (Finger)

gold signet ring (Finger)

stormmetal belt (Waist)

starsteel plate leggings (Legs)

starsteel plate boots (Feet)

diamond emblem (Worn)

Feyr (Weapon Hand)



so how is this overpowered again? the paladin has a higher true avg. the samurai has a higher megamud damage. but really, they are both almost exactly the same. one thing people are forgetting is the 100% 5-15 damage on the feyr.

[apathy]

The Paladin's gear gives +13 max dmg and +15 crits (NOT counting the Feyr. Gear only.)

The Samurai's gear gives +13 max dmg and +4 crits (NOT counting HHS. Gear only.)



With the swords, the max dmg is still a push, and the large 11 point gap closes down to 10 (+21 vs +11).



Now, I'm not sure if +10 to crits results in +10% to crits, but either way it's still a significant difference. Anyone feel like doing the math? I'm lazy and packing...





(Side note: Playing on Morbid, and going around with KGB, I feel he's just about as powerful as a character his level should be. Look at the numbers all you want and debate them, but if it works in the game, there's no reason to tweak it just because the numbers don't work...)

[syntax53]

Miss: 14%

Hit: 45% Rng:38-98 Avg:67

Extra: 2% Rng:5-14 Avg:8

Crit: 41% Rng:192-403 Avg:298

BS: --- Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Pre: N/A Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Cast: N/A Rng:0-0 Avg:0

Round: Rng:61-1101 Avg:553

Sneak: 0%

Dodge: 0%



True Average: 762.34 (Hit %-45, Hit AVG-67, Extra %-2, Extra AVG-8, Crit %-41, Crit AVG-298, Swings-11.1111)

i actually just noticed a flaw in this. megamud reported only 2% extra for the feyr when it's 100%. maybe i missed a message or something. that turns the true avergage into 796.05 (Hit %-45, Hit AVG-67, Extra %-100, Extra AVG-8, Crit %-41, Crit AVG-298, Swings-11.1111).

[silk]

if its about being even.. at level 70 whats a gypsy or missionarys max damage? 500?:>

[Jared]

I dont play on here but, why would anyone want everything to be even? If every class hit the same at the same level wouldnt that suck? The point of different classes/races is to find the right one for you. There is no way that every class can/should be the same. I took a look at the dats for this BBS and I think that it looks very good. Hats off to who ever came up with everything... good job!



Jared

[Raiden]

Notice that the thread is almost a year old in two days...