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Thats why when you go beat down grandma, steal her car, and take all her money, the guys in blue come over and throw you in a cell to get anal raped. Take out any ruling authority and what you get is majormud. Its like a buncha punk kids in a gang, fighting over turf.



Also, in most MMORPGS they have differentiated between PKing (Player Killing) and PVP (Player vs Player).

Pking involves general killing anyone or anything that is controlled by a player, doing it to piss them off, or ruin their game, or just because you like being an asshole. It is also non-agreed upon conflict by both parties.



PVPing is when both sides agree to fight, like a duel, or a battle, with rules, such as winner takes the loot, not loot stealing, etc. It is more regulated, and its not a random little guy walking in the park, but guy comes up kills em, takes his shit and trashes it, then goses "I pwned jo jew newb ass lozeR!!"



I am all for PVPing in games, it add a good element for those who dont like bashing monsters, but when it gets to the point of Crypts vs Reds gang war stuff without any regulation, it is kinda lame in my opinion. I think many of the more mature players feel the same way. The only people who want Pking are those who do it.



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[[Not to ride on your coattails without adding anything of substance (post whoring?), but I feel support for what you said is all I can offer.]]

I agree with every opinion I've read thus far, figured I'd add my 2 cents. Like you've never heard it before, but if you don't like the PvP aspect, go Lawful. That's why the alignment was created in the first place, to protect those who aren't interested in PvP. I don't PvP much, if at all, yet I still leave it open by choosing neutral/good/evil. If I'm scripting, and I know I can kick ass, I set mega to attack back. If I'm scripting, and I'm a weak mofo, I set it to hang. If you still die when some fool comes along and feels special for attacking a script, then blame mega. Other than that, PvP should be allowed, although regualted as Syn has done by defining the lvl difference allowed. I'm not so sure about the number of lvls chosen, but then again, as a non-pvp player (typically) my vote doesn't count for much.

but if you don't like the PvP aspect, go Lawful. That's why the alignment was created in the first place, to protect those who aren't interested in PvP. I don't PvP much, if at all, yet I still leave it open by choosing neutral/good/evil.



i don't think attacking a lawful adds enough EPs. I attacked a lawful person (unknowingly) and i only went from just below criminal to just barely villain [was criminal again two days later (you don't get EPs back on the day that you've attacked)]. that's like, 100 EPs. plus the fact the the 5th questors are based on alignment. some of the good aligned weapons suck so you may wanna go neutral or evil just for that.



what they should do is make all alignment levels matter. say if you are outlaw, you would get an additional +2/-2 levels of pvp difference, and then criminal gets a few more, villain a few more, and fiend unlimited.

Very good idea, Syn, and makes sense.

I agree with every opinion I've read thus far, figured I'd add my 2 cents. Like you've never heard it before, but if you don't like the PvP aspect, go Lawful. That's why the alignment was created in the first place, to protect those who aren't interested in PvP.



I agree on the validity of the rest of your post (though it's not my opinion), but I feel this part's wrong. Lawful is in no way a protection from PvP. This actually came up in the realm the other day - how many PvPers do you know that won't go evil to kill? With no real numbers to use here, I'd say a large majority of PvPers either quest evil or know they'll probably be Outlaw or worse at some point. What Lawful *should* do is offer something more than just 3x evil points (that's what it currently is, right?). I'd like to see Lawful include some sort of "can't PvP" flag - both can't attack or be attacked. I realize how many people are going to scream about that, but hell, it's my opinion. :)









The problem with PvP in MMud is that you can't simply throw out the "well, it's in the game" or the "that's how real life is" arguments because, respectively, it's also able to be turned off in the game, and in real life there're greater reprecussions to doing "evil" things than people viewing you with a shade of doubt (reputation) or being attacked by lameass guardsmen (ignoring the fact that the Sheriff is horribly overpowered).



And for the people who only argue "play the fucking game," you need to back up your side a bit more than that. Rules are needed in every game - fantasy or real. The ability to turn PvP off or to change the level is there for a reason. If you love PvP and were playing on a non-PvP board, would you react well to "play the fucking game?" Somehow I doubt it.

People who want to pvp dont go on non-pvp boards and expect people fighting, but people who dont like pvp come to pvp boards and whine when their script gets dropped, etc. READ THE DAMN RULES WHEN YOU START PLAYING A BOARD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't see what the big problem with people "liking" and "not liking" pvp. Don't like it? Play a non-pvp realm. If someone dies within the set limits in the game, they die. If someone had pvp at 20 levels, guess what? My level 40 could kill your level 20 and there ain't shit u can do about it. Go get yer boys for christ sake. Grow a set of cajones and kill back.

People who want to pvp dont go on non-pvp boards and expect people fighting, but people who dont like pvp come to pvp boards and whine when their script gets dropped, etc. READ THE DAMN RULES WHEN YOU START PLAYING A BOARD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't see what the big problem with people "liking" and "not liking" pvp. Don't like it? Play a non-pvp realm. If someone dies within the set limits in the game, they die. If someone had pvp at 20 levels, guess what? My level 40 could kill your level 20 and there ain't shit u can do about it. Go get yer boys for christ sake. Grow a set of cajones and kill back.



you're debating two totally different rules and aspects of the game. we're talking about the *reasons* for the killing. the idea is to allow pvp to get items and script spots. it becomes more then that and much more of a PIA when you have assholes that just kill for fun and to annoy. it's only fun for them and for the people who enjoy fighting back, which is a very small population.

i don't think attacking a lawful adds enough EPs.



Especially for people like me who generally play evil anyhow. Hitting someone that is lawful only makes my job of staying fiend easier.

Pvp should be a part of every bbs. Really, if you dont like it, dont script. The game is meant to be a type of virtual reality. Like D&D, in D&D you can attack anyone, any time, any place. Thats exactly how I think it should be. I personally think that 100 level pvp is best, because there's nothing I hate more than people talking shit because you cant do nothing about it. When people kill me, I only think 2 things, Fuck I lost my gear, now I'mma have to find new shit now, and Now I gotta get better, and win next time. Higher levels usually dont attack lowbies...They have nothing you MIGHT even want, and newbies dont usually talk too much shit. If they do, they DESERVE to die. There ya go, all u pvp hata's need to get real :) Pvp isnt THAT bad.

Pvp should be a part of every bbs. Really, if you dont like it, dont script. The game is meant to be a type of virtual reality. Like D&D, in D&D you can attack anyone, any time, any place. Thats exactly how I think it should be. I personally think that 100 level pvp is best, because there's nothing I hate more than people talking shit because you cant do nothing about it. When people kill me, I only think 2 things, Fuck I lost my gear, now I'mma have to find new shit now, and Now I gotta get better, and win next time. Higher levels usually dont attack lowbies...They have nothing you MIGHT even want, and newbies dont usually talk too much shit. If they do, they DESERVE to die. There ya go, all u pvp hata's need to get real :) Pvp isnt THAT bad.





You're first 2 statement's are already arguing different things.



PVP has nothing to do with scripting. While some may not like PVP, most will agree that PVP makes the game better.



However, it's not PVP when you kill a script. It's just considered a cheap shot, even if it's allowed by the rules, and those who participate only show how lame they are.



"If you don't like it, don't script." Yeah well if you wan't want to be shot, don't step outside of your house. The fact that you come out means you are at fault when a sniper takes a shot at you, right?



Even when countries go to war, they have rules about how to treat the other side. They have rules about fighting fair. Only countries headed by tyrants forgo these rules and promote such acts as sending 7 year olds strapped with bombs into the opposition. Are you saying you support these countries? Maybe you do, but I bet you won't publicly announce it unless you live in one of these countries.



Yeah it is just a game, but that doesn't mean you can act like a jackass and ruin it for everyone else. Unless the bbs rules specifically state that such acts are allowable, I think one should generally assume it's not.



I'm not talking about you personally Xilatl since I don't believe i've ever played with you, but since you brought it up, I replied to you.